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What Is The Gospel
  
David, so what part here do you see as sinless perfection? You don't understand WE DIE TO SIN. Sin dies not die, our OLD MAN is crucified with Christ and the NEW MAN walks in the spirit and not in the flesh.

In God's eyes David we are ALL spiritually dead. All born to Adam are already dead in trespasses and sin. Paul in Roman's 7 is addressing JEWS who think keeping the law will keep them sinless. Paul is saying NO NO NO. The LAW Exposes sin within.

Roman's 7 is reiterating Roman's 6. But is stated so Jews under the law can grasp the truth.

Only JESUS CAN DELIVER YOU FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH BY OUR BEING RISEN UP WITH HIM A NEW CREATURE and walking in the Spirit as Roman's 8 concludes.


What Is The Gospel
  

Ok so then David saying he has witnessed deathbed salvation is impossible. Seeing according to his understanding no one can know if that person has had that final blow to sin can they...except for David who thinks he's god and can see into another's heart.

But I DIE DAILY ,does not mean what David thinks it means. Paul never said "I DIE DAILY until I've reached that final death blow of fresh and self, and THEN I know I'm saved being sinless" .

I DIE DAILY IS our obedience of faith DAILY . ALWAYS BEARING ABOUT IN OUR BODIES THE DYING OF CHRIST SO THAT THE LIFE OF CHRIST IS MANIFEST.


A final DEATH BLOW is our physical death.


What Is The Gospel
  
but in my experience it took approximately 6 months///

Here is the problem, David judges everyone according to his experience, not according to the WORD OF GOD. NO scripture even remotely says salvation takes approximately 6 months.

Another contradiction of David's is he says he has witnessed death bed salvation.

So which one is true? Does David remember from day to day what he says here? Every day is a different story.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, no scripture says Paul was saved sometime in that three years. Your trying to force Pauls salvation into your doctrine, not scripture. First you say God Chooses who he will saved, based on achieving sinless perfection. Yet we see God CHOSE PAUL , while he was still a sinner.

Paul realized on the road to Damascus that Jesus was in fact THE CHRIST WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD, calling Him LORD.

Unsaved people don't preach Christ crucified and risen as Paul did immediately, also showing Romans 10:9-10 to be the qualifications for salvation.

It's God who justifies, not you David.
Salvation isn't achieved through works or self effort, but FAITH.


What Is The Gospel
  
To say Paul was not saved until 3 years after his conversion is saying Cornelius too was not saved at the time he heard the Gospel when the Holy Spirit fell on them and was baptized. Yet the whole of Corneluis was that he Was saved after hearing the Gospel. Now if DAVID says, but yes Peter and the Apostles were there, so they were saved, again is a strange teaching that ONLY the original APOSTLES could decide if someone was saved or only they could preach the Gospel. If that's the case no one is saved today. Apollo was not an apostle however preached the Gospels where others were saved.

Faith comes BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, NOT HEARING THE WORD OF THE ORIGINAL APOSTLES.

Paul preached THE WORD OF GOD.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, you have no proof or scripture to back up your last statements concerning Paul. He certainly received the Holy Spirit before your three year timeline. He also immediately preached Jesus Christ right after. To say he wasn't saved is nonsense, and AGAIN YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT.

No one is said to be saved because they joined the other apostles. No scripture says..YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNTIL YOU JOIN THE OTHER APOSTLES. If that were so, DAVID is not saved.

Where do you come up with your nonsense. Please show another teacher who teaches this.....your one man opinion is not valid.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, another question....where exactly in Matthew Mark Luke and John is the explicit teaching of the New Covenant Trav posts here often. The exact words in Hebrews 8-10.

And what part of the New Covenant do you disagree with. Seeing Paul did not write Hebrews, even if you think so, there's no proof, but the Author of Hebrews clearly shows in Hebrews 10 something Jesus didn't specifically bullet point in Matthew Mark Luke and John. So do you also disgard Hebrews? Hebrews 10..A NEW AND LIVING WAY...THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH.

So what your really saying is you only believe Matthew Mark Luke and John? So where did the author of Hebrews get their info?


What Is The Gospel
  
David, you keep saying Paul's doctrine disagrees with Jesus. It's not my doctrine David, I just post scripture.

You need to be specific how Jesus and Paul disagree . And you need to state SPECIFICALLY what exactly you THINK I'm in disagreement with. You keep making that accusation but have never backed up with proof.

Why do you think Paul's teachings disagree with Jesus? That's the real wresting here.

And your paranoid accusations again are simply your own thoughts. No one hates you. Are you also making up your own thoughts as to what I believe? Where do you say WITH PROOF that I interpret Paul's teaching against Jesus. PAUL WAS TAUGHT BY JESUS. YOU WERE NOT.


What Is The Gospel
  
Too funny David, because this is the third time I've corrected you on 2 Corinthians 13:1. First you didn't post the entire verse, second you've taken out of context, and 3rd, was addressed to the Corinthians about their carnal behavior. It has nothing to do with David using the verse to push his false doctrine, or insisting Romans 6-8 disagrees with Jesus in any way shape or form.

Paul explains 2 Cor 13:1 in verses 2-5. Something YOU disagree with. Paul said too...when I am weak THEN I AM STRONG. 2 Cor 12:10 SEE immediately after in ch 13 Paul reiterates this in vs 2-5.

Before throwing verses sound David LEARN WHAT THEY MEAN FIRST.


What Is The Gospel
  
5Examine Yourselves whether you're in the faith, PROVE YOURSELVES.KNOW YE NOT YOURSELVES HOW JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU, UNLESS YOU BE FOUND A REOROBATE. 2 Cor 13:1-4 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. IS**DEUT 19:15** 2I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time, being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, that, if I come again, I will not spare: 3Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 4For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.


What Is The Gospel
  
David. I've never molded Paul's letters into snatching. I simply state scriptures the same as you do. You post a scripture and add your own commentary of what you THINK IT SAYS and then bully those who point out you you have embellished the verse. You've dine this multiple times with your John 14 verse. First you claim it means sinless perfection, now you say it means to follow your own conscience.

You also claim you are given the Holy Spirit before you are saved. However Roman's 6-8 state otherwise.

Projecting your own shortcomings on to another is clear here.


What Is The Gospel
  
David, you've had plenty of opportunity to say you believe Roman's 6-8, but have instead posted many comments denouncing over the past 2 years just as you have skirted around the DEITY OF CHRIST. He's not a deity.

All one has to do is go back and read your comments to know who the liar is David.

So prove yourself and tell us when YOU OBEYED Roman's 6-8 and what that was like.

Why have you always argued against Roman's 6-8?


What Is The Gospel
  
The early church did not teach "let your conscience be your guide".

To be taught of the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit pointing to Jesus Christ. John 15.

Man was given a conscience when created. So man knows right from wrong. However we (those now saved) we see in Hebrews says our old conscience has been purged from dead works by the blood of Jesus Christ to Serve the living God. We are given THE MIND OF CHRIST...

So for one to be lead by the Spirit they first need to be saved and risen with Christ just as Roman's 6-8 teach us.

David doesn't believe Roman's 6-8, always arguing against and seems to say he has found another way around the CROSS.

Beware of false teachers.


What Is The Gospel
  
The foundation is Christ. Now Paul tells us we build upon that foundation either wood hay and stubble or Gold , silver and precious stone. So I believe correct doctrine is what we are building here. We're not saved by this Doctrine, but by faith in Jesus Christ, but if man-made traditions and man-made etc is built upon it will burn up. But the person is still saved. Others who have built correctly will be rewarded.


Want More From God
  
There are different judgements, and one is the Judgment of Nations as well. So yes there are different judgements. Those allowed to enter into the 1000 year reign will still be earthly and this is 1000 years before the Great White Throne Judgment. In Matthew 24-25 you will not see the Lambs Book of Life mentioned. Why, because this is not the final Judgements. This Judgements is immediately at Jesus 2nd coming to earth.

This also is not the Judgement Seat of Christ the BOC will by judged at.


What Is The Gospel
  
We're exercised to know both good and evil. God will put you through a battery of tests so you'll learn the difference between the leading of the Holy Spirit and, Satan who loves more than anything to confuse you or tempt you etc. Jesus was tested 40 days was also for our example of OVERCOMING THE EVIL ONE.

David had never testified to this and because his faith has never been tried and tested may not know he has been led by a counterfeit spirit.

James 1 testifies to this testing and it's results. We don't overcome SIN, we OVERCOME the evil one...as 1St John show is part of our growth and maturity. The TESTING OF YOUR FAITH is something every born again Christian goes through. If you haven't, check to see you are IN THE FAITH.


Can You Love God
  
In THE OT THE Holy Spirit actually REVEALED TRUTH to the Prophets etc. But the difference is the Holy Spirit was UPON Prophets , Priests and Kings on the OT, but not IN THEM the way the Holy Spirit is IN the believer today. The Holy Spirit TODAY has joined us together WITH CHRIST,that only happened AFTER Jesus rose from the dead.


Want More From God
  
Hebrews 7:25. Is another way of saying " no one can come to the Father except THROUGH His Son.

Strongaxe, I believe the verses in Matthew you always refer to is addressed to those who make it through the Great Tribulation after we see all that will come to pass in Matthew 24-25. You see Jesus as KING here on earth at that time.. Seeing the Great Tribulation is also know as the time of Jacob's Trouble, and anti_ Semitic will be at its height, the MY BRETHREN here are Jews Jesus is referring to. How the Jews are treated at that time, also is stated in Zachariah 12-14.

This judgement is not those saved by grace through faith today.


What Is The Gospel
  
David I'm still waiting for answers to my questions concerning the Deity of Christ you have skirted around. I still want an answer.



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