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Living Together Before Marriage

Espoused WIFE is used to differentiate from WIFE. It's simply a matter of exactness. And, as you stated, they were, inevitably, "married". However, under Jewish law, the espoused ones did not become "legally bound in marriage" UNTIL consumation. (Rather legalistic, weren't they?).

But hey... since you cannot survive without a constant influx of successful contentions, I submit: and I shall forego any further argument.

(Of course, as always, you may have the last word on the matter, my dear.)

Nostradamus Mabus Anti Christ

You really should try reading comments, and the questions soliciting them, in their respective context... rather than merely looking to rack up points for the most on-line "Biblical" contentions. It won't get ya to heaven--honest.

My answer was in relation to a "specific anti-Christ"--the final anti christ.

Of course, there are many antichrists. Most all of us know this. Check this out, though: I'll bet, if you re-read the question and my answer, and look real hard, you'll notice I stuffed in them little quotation marks (followed by a parenthetical description) just so's people, such as yourself, wouldn't be confused as to which of those "anti-Christs" I meant. LOL

Living Together Before Marriage

Lu 2:4 ...unto the city of David...
5 ...To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

What part of "espoused wife" is it you don't understand? Or are you saying Luke, who was probably the most literally accurate of the apostles--recognized as such for his being a "doctor"--somehow, got it wrong?

(You may want to study up on what espousal process actually was in those days. Where do you think bundling-boards came from?)

And how is it you derive, from my comment, that I said they were intimate during the espousal?

Living Together Before Marriage
Mt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost...
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Lu 2:4 ...unto the city of David...
5 ...To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

The key words, Espoused Wife, means "promised into marriage". It don't mean "married". They were "living" together though "without consumation"

Nostradamus Mabus Anti Christ
Nostradamus is entertainment!

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

There's but one "anti-Christ" (man of sin: beast: abomination of desolation), and he ain't gonna be revealed until it's time for him to be.

So, why would anyone believe God would reveal him to Nostradamus... and not to Jesus or His disciples? I'd suggest believing God... over soothsayers, sorcerers, and witches.

Did Paul Sin After Salvation
kathr4453 & Cluny,

Do you believe we can enter the Kingdom of God... without Christ in us? How far would "imputation of His righteousness" get us, past Heaven's gates, if Christ weren't in us?

To "impute" righteousness means to place righteousness on account. To balance our account, our iniquity is imputed to Christ. Without the imputed righteousness of Christ, iniquity remains on our account, by default. Our account is reconciled when we accept Christ into us.

All that's left for us to do, after this, is to maintain our account balance, by keeping Christ in us... through our faith.

1Jo 5:4 ...and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Billy Graham And Salvation
Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Ac 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Ac 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

...the words of the Apostles, Peter and Paul: and Ananias (to Paul)

"...If baptism were a requirement for salvation, we would certainly say that..." ...Billy Graham

Ya gotta wonder if Billy ever read the Acts of those taught "salvation" by Jesus.

Did Paul Sin After Salvation
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them: and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

It is Christ in us which imputes His righteous to us.

Beheaded For Witness Of Jesus

It all depends on how you feel about head-hackin'. If gettin' your head hacked off ain't tribulation to you (in or out of the Big One)... well, then what would be?

Of course, those beheaded, who John saw, could have had it happen to them in 130AD or 1030AD or 2030AD. I can't see any dates in the verse (the beast is only part of the werse.)

If it's gonna happen... the objective is for us to rejoice in it.

Joh 6:60 ...This is an hard saying, who can hear it?

BTW: "the great tribulation" is the product of Satan's wrath--not God's wrath. After all--who's doin' the head-hackin'?

Explain Revelation 17:4
I think most everyone here (whether or not they will admit it) knows exactly who the Mother of Harlots is. They also refuse to accept who her harlot daughters are.

They came out of her and they all follow the same false doctines (except for that pagan Mary worship, which they flipped on.) Those remaining false doctrines are the Trinity... and baptism, by use of every method and title--other than by submersion, in the name of Jesus.

Their refusal to accept that there is ONE God and that Jesus is the ONLY acceptable name to be used for remission of sin, has sent millions straight to hell.

I ain't gonna mention any names: but they ALL were born of their Mother Harlot, through her fornication with the Kings of the Earth.

How We Get Saved
Thanks all, for helping this lost sinner avoid damnation.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

To think I might have followed Peter's example and ended up in hell--like him.

United States Become Socialistic

I know you despise the fact that people may not feel Bush was a "good guy". And that's OK. As far as I'm concerned, NONE of them were "good guys", to include Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, ElBJ, Kennedy, Ike, Tru, FDR: et al. They ALL have furthered the NWO--according to God's prophecies.

Progressive is used to describe a slow process. Income taxes came about in 1913, alongside the Federal Reserve: which taxes were imposed in order to create a specific demand for FED notes, since these taxes had to be paid, legally, in FED notes. Convenient, yes?

It's really not complicated, once you understand that our money is created from debt. And there ain't nothin' any of us are gonna do that'll change it.

United States Become Socialistic

You wrote: "...Obama cemented with his BOGUS 700+billion "bailout" plan."

To be accurate, the "bailout" was a result of collusion between Treasury, the FED, and Congress. Had Bush gone rogue vetoing it, Congress would have over-ridden it.

Ya gotta accept how things actually function in the real world, and how debt is used to create currency and... Voila: "prosperity". Bet ya didn't know that being in debt up to your great-grandkids' souls means prosperity--did ya?

Obama has merely continued on with what every other Prez has: the 100yr-old program to screw the people... just as Bush 1 & 2 did.

(note: politics is a futile endeavor.)

When Will The Rapture Occur
You are aware the "tribulation" is 3.5 years, not 7 years, right: and the wrath of Satan is NOT the wrath of God, right?

The "rapture" is falsely thought of as an heavenly removal of the "church" from the tribulation to come. In fact, the "rapture" is the culmination of that tribulation.

To understand when the tribulation starts, you must understand that the "man of sin" must be revealed and that this revealing takes place when he stands in the temple and declares himself to be God.

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel[9:27} the prophet, stand in the holy place...
21 ...then shall be great tribulation...

United States Become Socialistic
"Will the United States adopt the same type of Socialism that Europe has?"

We already have the same type of socialism--it's called a fiat-currency supported by progressive income taxes (that happened 100 years ago, just about the same time as Europe.) We've got plenty of entitlements on which to waste all our resources, too.

What's left to socialize: medicine? We oughta just finish the job: 'cause when all else fails (voting, courts, legislature, etc), will the 2nd Amendment kick in? How much blood are we willing to spill to avoid having everything we used to "own", redistributed? Very little, I'd guess.

BTW: Member-states of the EU are no longer sovereigns. Our States are somehow different? LOL

Another Great Depression Coming

China holds US$755.4 Billion, Japan holds US$768.8 Billion. I don't see how this minuscule difference... makes any difference. Besides--if China (and others) stop buying our debt, the FED will monetize it. Howdaya think China'll take to that? A little dollar devaluation oughta set 'em straight: eh?

When these latest increases in "monetized debt" (we have never borrowed ALL dollars from foreigners) start filtering back up the bank-chain (think TARP+), devaluing another few Trillion won't much matter.

Who among us won't like their house worth 10X more? Of course, it'll take $20 to buy a pound of coffee... or a gallon of gas.

But wouldn't an $80/hr min-wage take care of that problem? LOL

Another Great Depression Coming
As you wish, Larry. I'm really not one to argue facts, anyway. They seem to have a way of standing all on their own.

Another Great Depression Coming
I thought this might be of interest:

Partial list (as of July 27,2009) of primary-dealer banks--the ones chartered to resell Treasury debt:

Banc of America Securities LLC
Barclays Capital Inc.
Cantor Fitzgerald & Co.
Citigroup Global Markets Inc.
Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC
Daiwa Securities America Inc.
Goldman, Sachs & Co.
HSBC Securities (USA) Inc.
Jefferies & Company, Inc.
J. P. Morgan Securities Inc.
Mizuho Securities USA Inc.
Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated
RBC Capital Markets Corporation
RBS Securities Inc.

More than one-third of U.S. commercial banks are stockholders of the Federal Reserve System.

Another Great Depression Coming

I think you have FED Branch Banks confused with member banks, who make up the stockholders. Member banks are "for-profit", such as BofA, Chase, Citi, Wells, et al.

The FED system banks are "non-profit", if you want to consider as non-profit that the Government receives the balance left from FED operations... after all costs of the FED system (salaries, overhead and other expenses, dividends to members at 6% of capital stock, etc: and now, interest on member deposits) are subtracted.

Another Great Depression Coming

Re 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Mugwort is called chornobylnik in Ukrainian, and has given its name to the abandoned city of Chornobyl (Chernobyl in Russian.) The mugwort is more commonly called wormwood.

The cause of death from the Ukraine nuke meltdown was radiation contamination of water. That happened in 1986.

Re 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Mao spoke about his 200,000,000-man army. Maybe John heard him?

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