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What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Instead of actually addressing the issues I keep posting that prove that your theories are wrong, you just re-posted EXACTLY the same thing you did the previous time. You even re-used "Truah" which isn't even a word. Mindlessly repeating the same thing over and over again is what true clamor is. It's a pity that you can't see it.


Predestined As A Son Of God
  
michael_e:

People are either predestined to be adopted as children, or they aren't - in which case they are predestined to NOT be adopted. What happens to those who are not adopted as children? Can they earn admittance to heaven all on their own? The Bible says they can't - which means they're predestined to hell.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Yet again, no. In an earlier message, I quoted the *exactly two* times in scripture that the word "clamor" occurs.

You talk about things like "acclamations of joy" or "battle cry" are clamor. Remember that the original verse quoted, Ephesians 4:31 says Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.

If what you are claiming is true, we would be REQUIRED BY SCRIPTURE to put away acclamations of joy, etc. Do you really believe that?

I also looked up H7321. It doesn't even use the word clamor - YOU DISHONESTLY ADDED THAT just to prove your point.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Bill's question was about CLAMOR, yet you TOTALLY ignore the dictionary definition of clamor, and the biblical verses that actually use the word "clamor" (both of which I explained in my last message).

Yes, you quoted verses about "making a joyful noise" and the like, but that isn't clamor. There is no such thing as a "happy clamor". That doesn't appear in the dictionary definition. It doesn't appear in any of the biblical uses of the word "clamor".

But sure, go ahead and make things up, but you can't claim that scripture backs you up, because it doesn't.


kathr4453:

I didn't say it made him look educated. I said it made him think he looks educated.


Pentecostal Church Our Model
  
michael_e:

Yes, Acts 2 happened *when Jews from all over the world were in Jeruselem*, so of course the comments were addressed to Jews and not Gentiles, because there weren't any gentiles there, so you can't use that to prove that the Gospel was intended for Jews only.

You bring up Cornelius, *yet note that despite the fact that it was unlawful (according to Jewish Law, not according to the Gospel), GOD HIMSELF told Peter to go to Cornelius.* Peter was clinging to old testament tradition, and God had to correct him.

Later, when new church members were gathering to eat, Peter kept with Jewish converts (also separating himself from gentile converts, as above), *and Paul again had to correct him* over this obsolete attitude.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

You wrote: Happy Clamor is better than resentment clamor as scripture shows.

What scripture, exactly? Scripture makes absolutely NO separation of any kind of "happy clamor". It just condemns clamor period. Once again, you're totally making up unscriptural things, thinking that they make you sound educated.


Pentecostal Church Our Model
  
Unfortunately, seek signs for their own sake. This can lead to charismania, which Paul addressed.

One pastor taught "how to speak in tongues" - say "I love you Jesus" quickly over and over again until you speak in tongues. This is rubbish - it replaces the indwelling of the Spirit by psychological delusion.

I was once in a Pentecostal church that had authentic gifts, but one new believer insisted on praying over everyone. He laid hands on their heads and actively pushed them forward, which would make them fall over. Not by the Power of the Spirit, but by the power of physics. What he thought was a spiritual gift was imitation.


Predestined As A Son Of God
  
You can't command someone to "be" predestined - either they were already predestined, or they weren't. This is what predestination means.

As for Calvinistic total depravity:

Atheist illusionist and comedian Pell Jilette wrote:

"The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what's to stop me from raping all I want?

And my answer is, I DO rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I DO murder all I want. And the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn't have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine."


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Wrong again. Clamor in the dictionary:

a loud uproar, as from a crowd of people: the clamor of the crowd at the gates.

a vehement expression of desire or dissatisfaction: the clamor of the proponents of the law.

popular outcry: The senators could not ignore the clamor against higher taxation.


The Bible mentions it twice:

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Ephesians 4:31: Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice

Neither has anything to do with "resentment towards scripture".

Yet another example of you pushing a favorite theory of yours with no backing.


Predestined As A Son Of God
  
Trav:

Who here is adding to, or taking away from scripture? Both you and I post scripture here. The difference between us is that I acknowledge all of it, while you seem to ignore (i.e. take away) the parts that you find inconvenient.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

You wrote: Clamor is the resentment heard on posted scripture. Scripture to Israel about Israel, that prophets of Israel, authorized by GOD spoke through.

Wrong. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with either the dictionary or the common sense definitions of "clamor". This is just you changing the subject yet again to your own person pet message - i.e. that God's words are for Israel only. What YOU are doing - i.e. constantly parroting the same thing over and over again - DOES fit the dictionary and common sense definitions of "clamor" though.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Clamor is constantly blathering the same thing over and over again, while totally ignoring what anyone else has to say.

Conversations involve multiple people speaking, listening to what other people say, and then adding comments about what is said. This enriches everyone.

However, constantly repeating the same things over and over again while ignoring what others say is not dialogue - it is monologue. And when it clutters up space that other people are using to actually hold conversations, it's clamor.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

That's really rich. You accuse ME of carving up God's given scripture, and then you proceed to do exactly the same thing.

Heb 9:15 actually says: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

You omitted the underlined part, which totally changes the meaning of the sentence.

Why do you keep going back to the same verses over and over again, yet you never ONCE explained why you keep ignoring the ones that I have posted that Jesus sent his disciples to preach the gospel TO ALL NATIONS?


Pentecostal Church Our Model
  
Another toxic behavior many Christians fall prey to (but Pentecostals are particularly vulnerable to) is Pharisaism: the "gospel" of "name it and blame it".

Whenever something bad happens, many judge and assign blame. When Katrina hit New Orleans, Pat Robertson blamed festivals like Mardi Gras and Southern Decadence - which take place in the French Quarter, the area damaged the *least*. So either God has very poor aim, or Pat was totally wrong.

When someone has cancer or financial problems that God doesn't fix, Pharisees self-righteously judge "it MUST be because of some unconfessed sin in your life" instead of comforting the victims.

Jesus told us to forgive and comfort, not to judge and blame.


Keep The Sabbath Holy
  
Some insist on "keeping the Sabbath holy", without understanding what that means:

- Refraining from ALL work between sunset Friday night until sunset Saturday night (no, not Sunday. The Bible NEVER changed the Sabbath to Sunday. The church just met on the first day)
- No cooking
- Not lighting or dousing fires (e.g. no lights on or off)
- No travel (no driving to church)
- No commerce (no shopping, no going out to eat. Meals had to be cooked BEFORE sundown Friday.)
- If you violate ANY of these, you must be stoned to death.

Anyone who does not adhere to ALL of these isn't "keeping the Sabbath holy" as the Bible commands, and they're just doing what they feel is comfortable.


What Is Clamor
  
Trav:

Yes:

Heb 9:15 *they which are called*

Heb 9:28 *unto them that look for him*

These talk about "called" and "who look to him" whoever they are - NOT tribes or nations.

Romans 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.

29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code...

The covenant is with SPIRITUAL Israel - whosoever believes - not PHYSICAL Israel.


Living In The End Times
  
Trav:

You should read the WHOLE book, and not just a few convenient proof texts. That way, you would understand the WHOLE gospel message, not just the tiny fragment that you're constantly obsessively fixated on:

Matthew 16: 15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Note that this commanded the apostles to preach the gospel to *ALL* creatures - NOT just Israel, but *ALL*. Also, it said that *WHOEVER BELIEVES* will be saved - not just Israel.

I find it sad that most of the people on this site just sit back silently and don't weigh in on this issue.


Pentecostal Church Our Model
  
One errors that came out of Pentecostalism is the Prosperity Gospel. "Name it and claim it" - if you believe, God is a Cosmic Genie who gives you anything you ask.

Funny how when normal people need money, they are told to pray, while when rich televangelists need money, instead of praying, prey on viewers, asking them for cash (and guilting them if they don't send it).

Paula White was the "spiritual advisor" to our former president. She said anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan. Jesus told his followers to deny themselves, take up their cross, and follow him. You can draw your own conclusion as to whom SHE follows.


Forgive As God Forgives
  
Comedian Stephen Colbert once wrote:

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it."


Forgive As God Forgives
  
Bill:

How true! Unfortunately, many Christians find these instructions inconvenient, and just ignore them.

When Cluny first showed me this site years ago, he called it "The Piranha Blogs", due to constant infighting - and things haven't changed. Some aren't content to discuss, but constantly fling insults, accusations, and outright lies. Read them yourself, and draw your own conclusions.

Many Christian are Pharisees - pushing beliefs on others, hurling accusations, condemning others to hell, fighting over doctrine - driving many away from Christ in disgust. People abandon God due to Christian hypocrisy. Paul rightly wrote: "'It is because of YOU God's name is mocked among the nations' as it is written".



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