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Decided To Stay A Virgin
Rhonda: you are incredibly, absolutely right. As the FoolKiller once said, "So many fools, so little time!"

Much of the problem lies in people being "religious". They think being Christian is being part of a Christian "culture". They try to read all the "right" Christian books, listen to all the "right" Christian music, and so on.

In the early days of Shiloh [a worthy ministry I was part of in the '70s], a number of the brothers thought celibacy was the more spiritual way to go. They called themselves "The Eunuchs Club". Of course, as more and more of them found girlfriends and married, they changed the name to "The You-Next Club".

Are There Missing Bible Books
[9] To my way of thinking, Jasher is only a human attempt to expand on material in the Sacred Scriptures, something like doing an historical novel. Good for entertainment, good for speculation as to how it MIGHT have been, but under NO circumstances DIVINELY INSPIRED.

It's been difficult for me [at times] to come to this conclusion. I wanted to believe differently, but little by little, slowly but surely, the Lord showed me that the Fullness of His Revelation was in those 66 Books, as written and contained in the Bible. [continued]

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[3] This actually parallels Greek mythology, where any number of Heroes were the sons of a God and a mortal. Greek mythology can be traced back to at least the 8th Century B.C. The Book of Enoch can't be verified any earlier than the 2nd Century B.C.

I regard Greek mythology as a distorted but genuine attempt to record the ancient past [These people did their best to faithfully hand down what they received from their ancestors.] Interpreted correctly it can offer valuable clues.

The Book of Enoch, however, more expresses Jewish mythology and Messianic hopes, rather than genuine history. Unprotected by Divine Inspiration, and six centuries further removed from the Source Material, it is six centuries more distorted. [continued]

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[5] Some translations give the number as 300 cubits. But still, that would mean the Giants were as big as Noah's Ark!

There's also the small matter of the Square-Cube Law [first described by Galileo in 1638].

Roughly it means that if the surface area of an object is squared, than its volume will be cubed.

A cube with a side length of 1 foot has a surface area of 6 square feet but a volume of 1 cubic foot. If its side length is doubled to 2 feet, its surface area increases to 24 square feet, but its volume is now 8 cubic feet. [continued]

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[6] What this means practically, is that past a certain point, such a creature couldn't maintain its own weight, or even lift itself off the ground. It's own weight would prevent its lungs from inflating and it would die of asphyxiation!

Andre the Giant [1946-1993] was 7 foot, 4 inches tall. He weighed as much as 540 pounds.

"The disease called acromegaly that granted him his immense size eventually began to take its toll on his body. By the late 1980s, Andre was in constant, near-crippling pain, and his heart struggled to pump blood throughout his massive body."

Imagine such conditions multiplied a Thousandfold for these Enochian Giants! [continued]

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[7] These mile-high Giants that "Enoch" speaks of are no more possible in reality, than creatures like Godzilla [1954] and "The Deadly Mantis" [1957].

Godzilla was 328 feet tall, and weighed 60,000 tons. The Mantis was only a measly 200 feet long. But no kind of flesh and blood, whether scaly reptilian, or exo-skeleton carapace, could ever be strong enough to escape collapsing under its own weight.

The Apatosaurus, one of the largest land animals, reached a length of 75 feet and weighed 25 tons.

The Blue Whale [the largest animal known to exist] reaches nearly 100 feet. The ocean supports its 200 tons of weight. Otherwise it might have a real problem. [continued]

Are There Missing Bible Books
[8] As far as the Book of Jasher is concerned, which Book of Jasher are we talking about? There are several different versions. I saw one version which spoke in depth about what the Fallen Angels were doing with the Human Women [and teaching them] but when I found a copy of my own it contained almost nothing of those things.

When I compared the chronologies of Jasher and the Bible, they were, in a number of cases, way different.

For instance, Genesis 5:18 says that Jared was 162 years old when Enoch was born. But in one of these Books of Jasher, his age is given as 62. Quite a difference. [continued]

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[10] They really ARE the TRUTH, and the unvarnished VISION OF THE TRUTH contained in them is so much better than the Detours and Tangents found in these other books.

The Truth is wonderful, simply because it IS the Truth. For ages Men believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. But once they discovered that the Earth actually revolved around the Sun, how much more wonderful and sublime it was, knowing that!

Are There Missing Bible Books
[2] For one thing, "Enoch" had the Giants being the offspring of the Sons of God and the Daughters of Men. Genesis 6:4 says, "There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
The giants were already on the Earth when those matings took place. And the Bible says that the Offspring of those matings were the Race of Heroes, NOT the Giants. [continued]

Decided To Stay A Virgin
"...if a woman doesn't marry and have children, she can't be saved."

That kind of negates I Corinthians 7:34, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband."

Obviously, a woman CAN be saved without marriage and childbearing. I am sure also that there are many women whose prayer is to be saved FROM marriage and childbearing.

And let us not forget verse 38, which says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well, but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better."

Decided To Stay A Virgin
I'm seeing rather an unhealthy strain of thought on this blog. Some have asked Joe if the decision to remain a virgin and unmarried was God's plan for him, or was it his "own" plan? The sense is that if it's something he came up with, there might be something wrong with it.

Can not such desires for Freedom and Purity have their source in God? Do you think you have to hear an audible voice from God, coming from somewhere outside yourself, for it to be legitimate?

God is not an Animal Breeder who picks your mate for you.

"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." [I John 3:7] And make no mistake: he that desires purity is righteous.

Are There Missing Bible Books
[1] Carla, first of all it's the Book of ENOCH, and the Bible doesn't speak of it. Enoch is mentioned in Genesis 5:18-19, 21-24, Luke 3:37, Hebrews 11:5. Enoch's actual words are quoted in Jude 14 and 15.

The problem is that about the Second Century B.C. those words of Enoch [handed down for nearly 3000 years] were expanded and added on to. There were many books written, at that time, in a similar style. They would claim to be the words of some Prophet or Patriarch [like "The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses].

As much as I wanted to believe the Book of Enoch was genuine, the more I studied what the Bible actually said about the Pre-Flood Era, the more I saw that the Book of Enoch contradicted it. [continued]

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[4] I'm going to quote I Enoch 7:1-2, to show you another problem [and a BIG problem. You'll see what I mean.]

"And they took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go into them, and mixed with them, and taught them charms and conjurations, and made them acquainted with the cutting of roots and of woods.

"And they became pregnant and brought forth great giants whose stature was three thousand ells."

Now an ell was an old English measurement equaling forty-five inches. Three thousand ells would be 135,000 inches, or 11,250 feet. That's a little over two miles. Do you see a problem there? [continued]

Are There Missing Bible Books
Eloy, a man reveals a lot about himself by his choice of words. "...O look, I am laughing like sinners do- not."

When a man categorizes others as "sinners", he makes himself superior to them. He prays like the Pharisee in Luke 18: "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are..." He considers himself righteous [and without sin] and despises others.

But people are not just "sinners". They are human beings, with wishes, hopes, dreams, feelings. And yes, they sin.

Hitler could paint beautiful architecture, but his people were often vague and ill-defined, as if he couldn't really recognize them as human beings.

Maybe that's why he found it so easy to murder millions of them.

Are There Missing Bible Books
Falsehood, because it doesn't agree with "The Sacred Truth as revealed by Eloy!"

Now you say that 1st Cliff's information is unbiblical? But so is yours.

John was indeed exiled to Patmos "for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." But nowhere does the Bible say this happened in the "3rd decade A.D., being a few years after Christ's Resurrection." In fact the Bible gives no dates for these things whatsoever.

You're willingly ignorant of the fact that it is "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," NOT the revelation of John. GOD chooses the timing according to HIS good pleasure, NOT according to whether it makes sense to you or not.

Are There Missing Bible Books
1st Cliff: Eloy's not going to keep it simple. He prefers "great, swelling [impressive sounding] words" like it refers to in Jude 16.

As for where he gets his info, I can't see it as coming from anything other than "Jewish fables" [Titus 1:14]. Neither Genesis, Hebrews, or Jude refers to ANYTHING he's talking about [but you knew that already].

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Eloy: In the "WHEN WAS GENESIS WRITTEN" blog, on 1/2/11, you stated that Adam was created in 4194 B.C. On what do you base that number?

This is the Hebrew year 5772. They reckon that since the Creation of the
World. Thus Creation [according to the Hebrew Record] occurred about the year 3760 B.C., Enoch's birth was in 3138 B.C., his translation in 2773 B.C., and the Flood in 2104 B.C. .

I would like you to demonstrate according to the Scriptures that the date you are giving is correct.

[I do not say that the 5772 is absolutely correct, but from where I stand it has a lot more going for it than your offering].

Are There Missing Bible Books
The Book of Isaiah forms an interesting parallel to the completed Bible.

66 chapters parallel the Bible's 66 books. But there's more to it than just that:

Many of the the first 39 chapters are narrative. We read ABOUT God, but we don't directly KNOW God. This parallels the 39 chapters of the Old Testament.

But starting at chapter 40, "Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God," and going on through chapter 66, it's direct revelation of God's heart, just as the entire New Testament reveals God's heart toward us DIRECTLY.

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever." John 14:16.

A Visit To Heaven Today
Eloy, I will address you whenever I choose. I will certainly confront you when you preach lies and ignorance. Likewise, I would receive you as a true brother if you were to show true repentance and contrition before the entire body here at ChristiaNet.

There is indeed only one true Lord Jesus Christ but you are not His disciple. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." Do you think you match up?

And what's this "dissing" nonsense? Were you born in the ghetto? There's no such word in the English dictionary, in the English language.

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