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God Speaks Through Prophets
I am a Saint and I am a sinner, I have spoken to God on the very inner he lives within me he never says much, but evertime im down he picks me up he tells me that everything is going ok and tells me not to be swayed the wrong way. The devil is out there he walks this earth hes waiting for the right time, the right time to give birth. With all of the prostituion and all of the Drugs and all of the executions and all of the thugs. But fear not all the people out there with a clean soul you have no weight to bare, its only a matter, a matter of time and then its the truth that you will all find. So keep your faith and always beleive, keep your faith and you will never be in need.

Does Your Soul Die
Thanks Anne. Today's my last on CN. I must leave it to the Holy Spirit and others like Samuel to defend what I believe is the truth-John 16:7-13. The bottom line is that today is the day of salvation-2 Corinthians 6:2. There is no repentance in the grave. Let's choose to follow and serve Jesus while we have life.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott, quite honestly, I question your integrity on this topic. You haven't answered many of my direct questions requiring a commitment for or against key doctrinal positions, such as if you accept that Jesus is fully God as much as the Father is fully God. To be quite honest, I am convicted to leave you to the prompting of the Holy Spirit rather than attempt to convince you or show you any more of the overwhelming evidence. In fact, since there is so much evidence, including our jealous God promoting worship of the Son while forbidding worship of angels or any other, I will bow out even at the risk of your claiming victory in this debate in my absence. Bottom line is that we will give account in the judgement-2 Cor 5:10.

Does Your Soul Die
Anne, the definition of "for ever" depends on the context. In Hebrews 13:8 it clearly means continually. But tell me, is Jonah still in the belly of the fish at the bottom of the ocean? Jonah 2:6.

Nana, you got stuck on "all that do wickedly," in Mal 4:1,3. But I was asking how you reconcile that "ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet." Ashes, not live coals. In this case "for ever" means until complete and irreversible.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott, as much as I enjoy religious discussion, this is not an exercise in debate. For me, it is a matter of eternal consequences. It is important that we know God.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

It is not enough to know the only true God because we would be no better off than the condemned demons.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Wouldn't it be a shame to know so much about God, just to be destroyed with them? Let's be honest.

Offended By Women Pastors
Rhonda *one SERVES God (not their man made antichrist doctrines)*

Rhonda, you have not demonstrated how Paul's instructions are manmade or antichrist. 1 Tm 2:12 (and an interesting observation Rv 2:20), 1 Tm 3:1-13, Eph 5:23... Nor has anyone come up with Bible instructions for ordaining women as Pastors or even provided a shred of historical evidence in the Bible this unorthodoxy was every practiced legitimately.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott *you are eager to jump elsewhere*

Then why did I mention a previous text (1 Jn 5:7-8) you were stuck on? I've consistently demonstrated we need to study each text in light of the entire Bible.

John 1:1 is clear that God the Son was with God in the very beginning. Do we have agreement so far?

Your theology is flawed without the understanding that Jesus is as much fully God as God the Father. Do you agree, YES or NO?

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott, I've consistently maintained the continuity, compliment, and agreement of scripture with scripture.

The evidence of the Godhead is not dependent on any single text and cannot be destroyed by the exclusion of 1 Jn 5:7-8. So move on buddy! It's unwise to park on the shoulder.
---Geoff on 1/4/09

Scott, my theological understanding is not based on just one single text. Is yours?
---Geoff on 1/4/09

You, however, insist on making conclusions based on isolated text.

My only request is that you choose ONE
---scott on 1/5/09

Do you not agree with me that the Bible is harmonious?

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott *does John 1:1 ALONE support a three in one trinity?* I already warned you of the danger of trying to isolate scripture and build doctrine on single texts. We must examine each text thoroughly as well as in light of the rest of the Bible. One text won't contradict another, only add detail and perspective. John 1:1 does not exclude the Trinity.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Rhonda *the Holy Spirit is not a god* Correct! The Holy Spirit is fully God as much as Jesus is fully God (as Scott and I seem to agree) and the Father is fully God. Have you any scripture to refute that the Holy Ghost is not fully God?

Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God-Acts 5:3,4.

Does Your Soul Die
Nana, that's Rev 20:10 (not 19:20)

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You only speculate *their state is "eternal" and "everlasting" existence* a reasonable assumption, but not stated.

How do you reconcile Malachi 4:1,3?

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up... that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Scott, rather it is eisegetic to go it alone (without Biblical support) to deny the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Godhead.

The math is sound. You agree God includes the Father and Son, Two Persons. In light of the whole Bible, why would not God include the Father and the Holy Ghost, Two? Jn 1:1 would then describe Jesus (the Word) with God (the Father and Holy Ghost). Therefore, God would be "at least" One. 2 is at least 1 and 3 is at least 1. Not just Father and Son are One-Jn 10:30, Father, Son and Spirit are One.

Is The Trinity Concept Made Up
Yes Ronnnie, *Jesus told the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the (Holy) Spirit... Jesus gave the Holy Spirit equal standing with Himself and the Father*

In fact it was such an important matter that the only incidence of re-baptism recorded in the Bible is where 12 disciples came to a better understanding of who God is when they recognized there really is a Person, the Holy Ghost. Acts 19:1-7.

Correct Ronnie *the Spirit is a very important "Person"*

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