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Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  


ax: Once again, the answer lies in first assuming that the Bible does not contradict itself, and God cannot lie. So we have to look deeper.

Consider the hint in the book of Jude:

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

and, again on the mount of transfiguration:

Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

These were real, physical people talking with them, not some ethereal spooks.




Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  


Kat: "Nothing entered Heaven until Jesus died and rose again."

How about Enoch, Moses and Elijah?

You really need to stop writing your own bible!




Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  

kat: "What Jerry and Friends fail to understand is before Jesus death and resurrection PARADISE was known as this place with a great divide" "Paradise was moved to heaven at Jesus resurrection."

Rev 2:7 ... "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Moved long before the resurrection.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you around before Jesus?




What Is The Perfect Law
  

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Act 24:14 ... so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.




Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  

ax: "Since you don't seem to like my interpretation of that, how do YOU interpret it?"

Simple. Begin by assuming that there does exist a logical explanation - one that does not make Christ a liar. Here it is: The original Greek has no punctuation, and the comma was invented centuries after Christ. Try moving the comma before the word "today" rather than after it, and you get:

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

Strange how doctrines can change because of simple errors, eh? (A little Canadian lingo there.)




Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  


ax: "Today you will be with me in paradise"

So you are calling Jesus a liar!

Was He lying when He said that or when He said to Mary 2 days later:

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.

Perhaps your interpretation is off.




Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  


ax: "So how does one reconcile these two things?"

Easy. The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable. Nothing in it is realistic: All saved humans fit on Abraham's chest, Lazarus' thirst is satisfied by one drop, Heaven and Hell are close enough to reach across, etc.

You miss the entire point of the story, namely:

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Do you hear Moses and the prophets?





Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  

kat: Since you mentioned the two resurrections, how do you think that the determination as to which resurrection you are in is made? A judgement is made!

Did you also note that "the rest of the dead" (wicked) do not live again until the 1000 years have ended? So no one currently goes to hell at death!

It is wrong to punish people before they have had a trial!


Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  


ax: "Nothing in scripture says Jesus needs centuries to pore [sic] over books."

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

ax, There is a judgement coming, and we will all be judged according to the standard of the Ten Commandments. Better get ready!



Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  

ax: Your history is a bit off. People of many denominations were Millerites. Indeed, Miller himself was a Baptist and the Harmon family (Ellen White's maiden name) were Methodists. But your statement that "SDA retconned this by saying Jesus DID return - to the heavenly sanctuary." is wrong! Since Jesus was already in heaven, He couldn't possibly return there! The date computation is correct, October 22, 1844, but they got the event wrong. The "cleansing of the Sanctuary" referred to the Heavenly Sanctuary and the date was the beginning of the investigative Judgement - not the coming of Jesus to earth.

Does your fascination with the word "retcon" stem from your obsession comic books? Just askin'.


Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  

I agree that Camping, et al were looney for predicting the date of Jesus return when Jesus clearly says that "no man knoweth the day or the hour". SDA's have never believed in date setting. However, Jesus did describe the signs of the times when the end was near, and they have never fit so well with the times as currently.

He also never forbid the predicting of the year. It is tempting to observe that, in keeping with the God's "a day is as a thousand years" principle, the promise of a redeemer slain from the foundation of the earth reaches the 6000 year point in the fall of 2027, with 2000 year markers at the attempted slaying of Isaac by Abraham and the anointing of Jesus at his baptism (AD27).



Keep The Sabbath Holy
  


What three cities have the highest murder rates? Those with the strictest gun/Democrat control.




Keep The Sabbath Holy
  

ax (3): You and I accuse each other of lying, and I'm sure that you believe you are right just as I do. I call you a Commie because your leftist ideology appears to me more aligned with Communist worldview than with American ideals. I deeply resent what leftists have done to our country and its institutions, and the corruptions they have brought to our society. I would never have believed that our culture would promote sexual perversion to the extent that it has become mainstream. Our country is suffering from out-of-control crime, foreign invasion, runaway inflation, economic meltdown, food shortages, political animus, and heightened international tension because of the current Administration. That's all on you Democrats.



The Time Of Trouble
  


ax: You seem to be implying that you DO keep the 10 Commandments out of love to God and man (Great!). Yet you vehemently assert that you are exempt from keeping them. What's going on? Cognitive dissonance?


katty: "No more nonsense then [sic] you are posting Jerry."

Then and than are two different words. Just thought you'd like to know. You really ought to brush up on your Christian social skills, though.




Keep The Sabbath Holy
  


ax: I was not aware that I had borne any false witness. Could you be more specific?

I agree with your take on the singular obsession of one Commandment over others. The Bible says that if we break one we break them all. That's why I can't abide the "I'm exempt" arguement. The 10 Commandments define sin, so if there are no Commandments in force, there is no sin. If there is no sin, there is no need of a Savoir, and I NEED A SAVOIR.

Sabbath blessings.




The Time Of Trouble
  

ax: I could just listen to CNN talking points and get the same blather as you post. Can't you just answer the questions by yourself?


katty: I think your tinfoil hat is too tight. Why not address the issues rather than regurgitating nonsense?




Keep The Sabbath Holy
  


katty: Why is it so hard for you to answer one simple question?

Are you exempt from murder, adultery, idol worship, etc. or just the one Commandment that God commanded us to remember?

Truth please, enough with the deflections.




The Time Of Trouble
  

Sorry ax & kat, but I didn't hear a response, so I'll ask again:

So, are you and the ax on the pro-abortion side now with your rioting freak-show Dem friends?

How about your support of the pedophile-supporting SCOTUS appointee Katanji?

Do you side with your LGBTQ friends supporting "Pride Month"?

It's not possible to be both a Christian and a Democrat.





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