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New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

Mt 6:33: Right shouts "Lord! Lord!", yet act otherwise (Mt 7:21). Child molestations come more frequently from conservative politicians and pastors. They vote down social safety nets that keep poor people from starving (Mt 25:31-46).

MK 16:15: Preaching one thing and doing another is hypocrical pharisaism, not the gospel.

Racists? KKK and neo-Nazis run as REPUBLICANS.

Lies? Trump told 30,000+ lies in office.

Corruption? All Democrat administrations in the past 50 years had 3 criminal indictments. Republicans before Trump had 100+. Trump's ALONE had 200+.

Trump is the ultimate narcissist, and his followers let him.

Only a brainwashed follower of the right would claim otherwise.


New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

You totally mischaracteriz "Progressive". Satan didn't rebel against God's path because he thought it was bad, but because it wasn't all about HIM. He is a narcissist.

Pharisees were very conservative. They were ultra-specific about every single point of the law. They didn't care about people - only the Law. They hated Jesus because he played fast and loose with the law (e.g. curing people on the Sabbath - oh, the horror!)

Jesus was progressive - he loved people, and thought the law was made to serve people, and not the other way around. The Pharisees hated that - just as conservatives hate progressives today.

YET AGAIN: People who cry "Lord! Lord!" are BELIEVERS.


New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

Those people call him "Lord! Lord!". How is it possible to say that to someone who one does NOT believe in?! The idea is ridiculous.

Jesus SPECIFICALLY said not all who call on him will be saved, ONLY those who do the will of the father. Many believe in Jesus, but only superficially.

Yes, "virtue signalling" is bad (and this is EXACTLY what Matthew 7 is talking about), but I presume that you're talking about such people on the left. Remember that Pharisees (both today and 2000 years ago) are and were CONSERVATIVES - who upheld traditional notions of piety, and thumbed their noses down at anyone else they thought were "beneath them" - which is also a common conservative conceit today.


New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

So, again, for the third time:

Who were the people in Matthew 7 who said "Lord, Lord!", yet Jesus rejected, saying "I never knew you!"? These are clearly believers, because they called him Lord - yet they were rejected, despite their belief.

I'm really curious to hear your explanation.


New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

This is what I have been trying to say all along. Mere belief alone is NOT sufficient. You ALSO have to do the will of the father.

Just as James says - we are saved through faith, but our works DEMONSTRATE that our faith is actually valid, and not just lips flapping meaninglessly in the wind.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Read Matthew 7. Who do YOU think the people who say "Lord, Lord!" are? Are these not believers?

Romans 5 says nothing about whether Christians can sin. Neither does Romans 10:3.

It wasn't "The tree of KNOWLEDGE". It was "The tree of knowledge OF GOOD AND EVIL". Many Christians seem to believe that knowledge itself is evil - which shows just how little they pay attention to what scripture itself literally says. (By the same faulty logic, one might also conclude that fruit is evil).

My point was that IF you insist that Christians can't sin **solely because they believe**, this is easily disproved because demons believe as well, but that doesn't make THEM sinless.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

The Law was a specific codification of various things that must be done, and various things that must not be. This doesn't mean that before Moses, everything was permitted. Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden for disobeying God. Cain was cursed and cast out for murdering Abel. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for egregious sin. The Law had not been written yet - so NONE of those people were "under the Law" - but those things were STILL sins.

We are not under "The Law of Moses" - but all the things the above people did would still be sin if we did them, Law or not.

"But we believe on Jesus (Joh 3:16)." - yet devils also believe - but tremble, and THEY will be judged despite their belief.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

And YOU reject Matthew 7. Just who are these people who say "Lord, Lord!"? These are obviously people who BELIEVE Jesus is the Christ, and think they can praise him by doing great works of their own devising - instead of doing the works that God actually wants. This doesn't say they don't BELIEVE. It only says that they are clueless about what God WANTS.

I am also an ex-Catholic, and I know what I was taught as a child. Yes, Catholics may be clueless about many of the teachings of Christ, but "believing Jesus is the Christ" is one of the things they believe.

As to why YOU persist in rejecting God's word on this is between YOU and God.


New Age In Todays Churches
  
Haz27:

C. S. Lewis said there were two equally dangerous positions Christians could take towards demons. One was to dismiss them. The other was to take an altogether unhealthy obsession towards them. Jesus said perfect love casts out fear - yet so many Christians today are absolutely paranoid, seeing demons under every rock.

I saw a social media post a while back, where a woman need some help, and a total stranger helped her out. She told him "You must be a Christian". He said he wasn't. She suddenly got very cold, and assumed that this was an agent of Satan sent to tempt her by pretending to be nice. She couldn't just graciously accept help from a nice person. She suddenly had to become self-righteous and judgmental.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Who cares whether they were spreading the gospel? You yourself said that being in Christ (and thus incapable of sin) relied SOLELY on whether one believed in Christ, and NOT on one's actions. They were Catholics, and indoctrinated into belief. According to your own claims, anything they did after that was not sin - including all the atrocities they committed in the Americas. You can't have it both ways.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Again: You say "beliving Jesus is the Christ" makes one "in Christ" and "incapable of sin". Catholics believe. Spaniards were loyal Catholics, serving Church and Pope. They believed, so were incapable of sin - according to what YOU SAID.

This is "reductio ad absurdum" - proving initial assumptions are incorrect by showing they lead to an absurd conclusion.

You CANNOT create a doctrine based solely on one or two verses. You must take ALL scripture into account.

NOT all NT scriptures agree. JESUS does not. In Matthew 7, he says NOT everyone who **SAYS** "Lord, Lord" will enter heaven - only those who **DO** the will of the Father.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
kathr4453:

James 2:19 very well explained that mere belief itself is not sufficient:
Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Haz27:

Nazis were NOT SOCIALIST by any means. Socialism includes of taking care of the less fortunate at the expense of the more fortunate. Nazism was the polar opposite - sink-or-swim capitalism. They discarded the sick and elderly like used Kleenex. They called them "useless eaters" and shipped them off to the gas chambers. You served the Fatherland faithfully for decades, and now you're elderly and feeble? Instead of gratitude for service, it was "What have you done for me lately?"


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Spaniards conquered Americas in the name of Church and King. They raped, murdered, enslaved natives, and forced them to mine gold. 8 million died.

Within 25 years of Columbus' arrival in Haiti, most gentle Taino natives died from disease or enslavement. Hatuey led a resistance against the Spaniards - which failed. When about to be burned at the stake, a priest asked him to accept Jesus and go to heaven. When he heard Spaniards were in heaven, Hatuey said he would rather go to hell and not see such cruel people.

Spaniards distorted the gospel so much, natives thought God was evil. Paul rightly wrote, "'It is because of YOU God's name is blasphemed among the nations' as it is written".


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Christians always believed Jesus is Christ - yet for 2000 years have committed crusades, inqusitions, conquests of continents, etc. resulting in millions of deaths. Do you seriously believe genocide by "believers" is NOT A SIN?!

NO. Matthew 7:22-23:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You can't build a doctrine on one verse - you need to look at the big picture.

Rightists CLAIM fascism is left - to avoid their embarrassing past. Even today, neo-nazis and klansmen are far RIGHT.


End-Time Alien Delusion
  
Haz27:

Yes, but how can you tell *WHO* is "born of God"? Asking them isn't proof, and asking God doesn't work either.

Historical fascist movements (e.g. Italy and Germany during WW2) were very far RIGHT. They were very strongly opposed to communist Russia (that was very far LEFT).

Authoritarianism is evil, but exists on BOTH sides (see above). One play from the authoritarian playbook is discredit the media (because only they can keep governments accountable). Guess who kept crying "fake news" and said he would change the law to allow the media to be taken down? Trump.

Guess which party champions private industry, and is always giving them tax break? Republicans.


Is Jesus Coming Back Soon
  
Haz27:

I suggest you learn some history.

From dictionary: Fascism is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition, regimenting all industry and commerce, and emphasizing an aggressive nationlism and often racism. A political movement ... especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922-43.

Fascism was OPPOSED to Marxism. Marxism is about collective ownership. Fascism employed strong private corporations - e.g. Benz, Volkswagen, I. G. Farben, etc.

The Left does NOT "attack" Christianity. It only reacts to Christianity attacking IT first, e.g. by illegally imposing Biblical law in opposition of the First Amendment.



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