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Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

kat: "So these scare tactics and threats ARE FROM THE PITS OF HELL, AND IM SICK OF IT. I hope they all get their seats handed to them this coming election. Bullies are losers."

You must be talking about Biden and his NAZI speech (as we Americans call it). Never has a US President made such a dark and incendiary speech. The left seems to be trying to provoke a civil war.

Calling people who want to make America great "fascists" is just plain stupid. Did you think that of Bill Clinton when he said the same thing?

What Is The Perfect Law

buh bye MEW. We'll try to miss you.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

sammy: You've been brainwashed. It is the left, in concert with the papacy, who are trying to destroy America, usher in world governance, and institute Sunday as a rest day for Mother Earth.

What Is The Perfect Law

ax: If there is no law, then there is no SIN, since:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

What Is The Perfect Law

MEW: "The 10 COMMANDMENTS are no longer in force, they have been ABOLISHED and DESTROYED"

Jesus disagrees with you:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Sounds PERFECT to me.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: Once again, the answer lies in first assuming that the Bible does not contradict itself, and God cannot lie. So we have to look deeper.

Consider the hint in the book of Jude:

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

and, again on the mount of transfiguration:

Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

These were real, physical people talking with them, not some ethereal spooks.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

Kat: "Nothing entered Heaven until Jesus died and rose again."

How about Enoch, Moses and Elijah?

You really need to stop writing your own bible!

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

kat: "What Jerry and Friends fail to understand is before Jesus death and resurrection PARADISE was known as this place with a great divide" "Paradise was moved to heaven at Jesus resurrection."

Rev 2:7 ... "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Moved long before the resurrection.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you around before Jesus?

What Is The Perfect Law

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Act 24:14 ... so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: "Since you don't seem to like my interpretation of that, how do YOU interpret it?"

Simple. Begin by assuming that there does exist a logical explanation - one that does not make Christ a liar. Here it is: The original Greek has no punctuation, and the comma was invented centuries after Christ. Try moving the comma before the word "today" rather than after it, and you get:

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.

Strange how doctrines can change because of simple errors, eh? (A little Canadian lingo there.)

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: "Today you will be with me in paradise"

So you are calling Jesus a liar!

Was He lying when He said that or when He said to Mary 2 days later:

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.

Perhaps your interpretation is off.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: "So how does one reconcile these two things?"

Easy. The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable. Nothing in it is realistic: All saved humans fit on Abraham's chest, Lazarus' thirst is satisfied by one drop, Heaven and Hell are close enough to reach across, etc.

You miss the entire point of the story, namely:

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Do you hear Moses and the prophets?

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

kat: Since you mentioned the two resurrections, how do you think that the determination as to which resurrection you are in is made? A judgement is made!

Did you also note that "the rest of the dead" (wicked) do not live again until the 1000 years have ended? So no one currently goes to hell at death!

It is wrong to punish people before they have had a trial!

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: "Nothing in scripture says Jesus needs centuries to pore [sic] over books."

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

ax, There is a judgement coming, and we will all be judged according to the standard of the Ten Commandments. Better get ready!

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

ax: Your history is a bit off. People of many denominations were Millerites. Indeed, Miller himself was a Baptist and the Harmon family (Ellen White's maiden name) were Methodists. But your statement that "SDA retconned this by saying Jesus DID return - to the heavenly sanctuary." is wrong! Since Jesus was already in heaven, He couldn't possibly return there! The date computation is correct, October 22, 1844, but they got the event wrong. The "cleansing of the Sanctuary" referred to the Heavenly Sanctuary and the date was the beginning of the investigative Judgement - not the coming of Jesus to earth.

Does your fascination with the word "retcon" stem from your obsession comic books? Just askin'.

Is Jesus Coming Back Soon

I agree that Camping, et al were looney for predicting the date of Jesus return when Jesus clearly says that "no man knoweth the day or the hour". SDA's have never believed in date setting. However, Jesus did describe the signs of the times when the end was near, and they have never fit so well with the times as currently.

He also never forbid the predicting of the year. It is tempting to observe that, in keeping with the God's "a day is as a thousand years" principle, the promise of a redeemer slain from the foundation of the earth reaches the 6000 year point in the fall of 2027, with 2000 year markers at the attempted slaying of Isaac by Abraham and the anointing of Jesus at his baptism (AD27).

Keep The Sabbath Holy

What three cities have the highest murder rates? Those with the strictest gun/Democrat control.

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