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False Teacher In Jerusalem
Francis - I stand by my statement that SDA all too often ignore the spirit behind the law.

Article 19 SDA Fundamental Beliefs. ....Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but it fruitage is obedience to the 10 commandments.

The sabbath-keeping Pharisees of Christ's day were very good at observing the 10 commandments.

The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Romans 13:9-10

I could kick the daylights out of you and not violate any of the 10 commandments. Are we declared righteous by the law? Romans 3:28

How To Witness To Witches
Steveng - yes,lets reason this out.

All believers in Christ have entered into that rest as depicted by the Sabbath. Hebrews 4.

It was obvious to the early church that Gentiles were accepted by Christ because they also received the Spirit and w/o converting to Judaism.

While Jesus & the Apostles taught on the Sabbath, they did so as the gospel had to be first presented to the Jews. A ready audience was available in the synagogues on the Sabbath.

The prophecy of Christ that they needed to pray their journey not be on the Sabbath day or in winter, was fulfilled in the first century. Neither winter nor sabbath journey would be a burden to Gentile believers.

What Is Authentic Faith
Paul9594 //The commentary does not take into account the Hebrew word "torah" in this passage!

That is because the Torah was not even in existence at the time of Abraham.

//So this is an opinion not even considering the Hebrew word, therefore, is not biblical interpretation!

It is a very simple fact that there is no Biblical scholar or theologian that has ever lived that will agree with your unfounded interpretation.

Your mentors belong in some bug house somewhere on some other planet.

You say you are not Jewish or Messianic Jewish but you really are. The fact is you have not reached that realization as yet.

Dumbest Blog Question
Ro 6:14-15 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

Since we are not under the law but under grace, there is still an obligation not to let sin dominate us. This would certainly imply that since sin can be a violation of law that there is still an obligation to the law.

But what laws? I maintain the law here depicts moral law, not ceremonial, ritual laws, those regarding festivals, observances of holy days, civil laws, etc.

Since Romans 2:14f indicates Gentiles fulfilled the law by following their conscience, the law here must be moral laws - those that reflect on relationships between people.

Dumbest Blog Question
Jerry //... since you keep insisting that the Ten Commandments have been made void by the New Covenant - which they have not.

While it is true the Old Covenant with its 600+ laws was replaced by the New Covenant- that ministry of death & condemnation craved on stone (i.e. the 10 commandments) was replaced by the ministry of the Spirit- a ministry that demands far more than obedience to laws of the OT. Read 1 Cor. 3:7f!

Effectively all the principles behind the commandments should be realized for the believers who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.(Romans 8:3f)

So you see Jerry, those who walk by faith are the ones that will inherit the Promise given to Abraham, not those who do works of the law.

What Is Authentic Faith
Paul9594 - Genesis 26:5 All this came to pass because Abraham obeyed me and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws.

NET Bible footnote: The most simplest explanation is that the narrator (traditionally taken to be Moses the law giver) elaborated on the simple report of Abrahams obedience by using terms which the Israelites were familiar. In this way he depicts Abraham as the model of obedience to Gods commands, whose example Israel was to follow.

I accept that explanation rather than your that one need observe all the laws given in the Old Covenant, even those not found within the New Covenant in which the church is under.

Dumbest Blog Question
I believe that this fits into the class of dumbest blog questions by none other than Jerry.

//Do you or do you not teach against the Ten Commandments?

Definitely not as Scripture is very very clear that the Old Covenant became obsolete with the introduction of the New Covenant. And as such any adherence to specific laws found ONLY in the Old Covenant are not mandatory to believers.

And that includes your observance of holy days such as Jewish feasts and the Jewish Sabbath - neither of which are found as commands anywhere in the New Covenant.

The Jerusalem council should have settled that issue but some today believe that council was only about physically circumcision of Gentiles. (see Acts 15:24)

Explain Matthew 16:28
trav - it is really a waste of time having any dialogue with you as you really know nothing about what the Bible teaches. Nor have you contributed anything worthwhile to anyone on this forum.

Hopefully someday soon, you will find some mentors that know both the Bible and its Author who will give you guidance on what the Christian faith and walk is all about.

Good bye.

Why Do So Many Christians Lie
mima//His answer is clear concise and correct.

It is those 'clear, concise & correct' answers that have them on the horns of the truth.

While I can to some extent respect their viewpoints, they simply do not take into account that fact that scripture must be interpreted in the light of Scripture. They ignore too much of what is stated in Scripture.

Of course, the major problem is that they are determined to follow false teachers who believe that righteousness comes from obedience to the law, esp. the Sabbath commandment. Such spirits did much the same to our Lord while He was on earth and even brought Him to the Cross.

Eating Habits Glorify God
trav - the scripture is very straight-forward in that the Old Covenant dispensation become obsolete after the destruction of the Temple.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

And the line of the Jewish priests ceased with the priesthood of Christ.

Sorry that you have such a problem with interpretation of the Word of God and that is because you in your arrogance try to distort it to fit your preconceived idiotology.

Explain Matthew 16:28
trav - what you post clearly indicates that humility is not one of your attributes. If it were you would be teachable but clearly you are not. You simply want to argue against the truth (Truth).

When are you going to recognize the authority of the Word of God or is your mind so very plugged up (constipated) with false doctrines that such would be virtually impossible?

Christians Remarry After Divorce
Wal-rev //There are no exceptions for a professing christian to remarry but for the one justifiable case for the MAN, if and ONLY if his wife was unfaithful to him. Matthew 5:32.

Does the church have any authority to make rulings on cases of this nature?

Say for instance, one believing spouse simply will no longer desire to be married and there are needs of the other spouse that have to be meet?

Historically the church has ruled on these kinds of problems.

Eating Habits Glorify God
francis -// the context was the disciples eating bread with UNWASHED HAND not eating clean and unclean.

While that is what brought the subject up in the first place, the point Jesus made was that it does not matter what one eats that makes one defiled but what comes from the heart.

The phrase 'and He declared all FOODS clean' simply states there was to be no longer any restrictions on what one eats. Romans 14:2 further emphasizes that point.

The fact the early Gentile church fathers did NOT teach food restrictions should be sufficient for us that Christians are not restricted as to kinds of food.

Eating Habits Glorify God
//You know that your theology is correct when it is consistent with the bible, both OT and NT. Because God never changes

While God does not change, He does change in the way He deals with His creation. He does this by the way of covenants. The Old Covenant became obsolete being replaced by teh New Covenant of the church.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Eating Habits Glorify God
francis - while God never changes in His nature, He does change the way He will deal with His creation.

For instance in the New Covenant of the church, there had to be a change in the priesthood and thus in the law as well.

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

The old Levitical pristhood became archaic with the destruction of the Temple and today "you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5

Explain Matthew 16:28
trav //Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

And did not Christ fulfill the law or is it that you still believe the church is still under the Old Covenant dispensation?

Poor soul, when will the Lord set you free in Christ so that you can have an understanding of what is written in Holy Writ? Perhaps He may send a woman to you to speak His truth so that you may be able to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling". Php. 2:12

Humility is certainly not one of your greater attributes but such is the problem with those who are arrogant.

Eating Habits Glorify God
francis //Was jesus talking about eating unclean meat or eating with unwashed hands?

Scripture is as plain as can be that there are no food restrictions on Christians.

Mark 7:18f And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

Also if you would read -

Romans 14:2f One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

Eating Habits Glorify God
francis - //There is no way Jesus could say that we can eat anything, when multiple scriptures alredy said do not eat what is unclean.

One of the greater shortcoming of Adventism & other Sabbaterian denominations is they ignore what was taught by the early church fathers, many of whom were immediate followers of the Apostles.

The observance of Levitical food laws, Sabbath keeping & other unique laws of Judaism was ONLY taught among the Jewish factor of the church.

And that is sufficient reason alone to reject your belief that Christians have to observe the Jewish Sabbaht & Levitical food laws.

Why Do So Many Christians Lie
Jerry - so you believe I teach against the 10 commandments? One of the 10 commandments you consistently disobey is the one that involves slander.

While I will admit my sinfulness, you are obviously blinded to yours believing God would be very impressed with your self righteousness.

Unlike you, I do not hold one is righteous through obedience to law.

Gal. 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if justification were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

To be justified means to be declared righteous, and that is what God views me and all others that are in Christ. 1 Cor. 1:30.

The SDA know little of the Bible or the Gospel message as theirs is strictly a Judaizing works salvation. Mt. 15:14

Doctrines Of Christianity
Jerry //What Bible are you reading? Mine says:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Agree!! according to 'the Promise' not according to the law given on Mt. Sinai.

If we were subject to the Mosaic laws, there would have been no need for a Jerusalem council to determine if Gentiles needed to be circumcised AND observe the laws of Moses.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, AND keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Poor child Jerry! will he ever be set free in Christ to have an understanding of Holy Writ?

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