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Confessing Our Sins
  
-kathr4453 *Ruben, as I've said before, picking a verse here and there out of context br>

Why's is our interpretation correct ? Please explain?


-kathr4453 * Men cannot forgive sin. Only God can.

But yet, we read where people were going to John the baptizer confessing their sins Mk 1-:4-5 We also read in Acts 19:18 confessing sins to the Apostles. And James 5:16 confess our sins to one another! But I guess 'out of context.

-kath4453 * Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only.

Jesus then goes on and says ' Son of Man' not God. Gospel of Matt tells us " God has given the authority to forgive sins to men. Which MEN read John 20:20-23!


Confessing Our Sins
  
More to come:

We read in Matt 18-18 The apostles are given the authority to bind and loose.

2 Cor 2:10 Here we have Paul forgives in the presence of Christ // some bible translation has ' in persona Christi//

And even in the verse discussing here James 5:16 reads,

James 5:14 " Is anyone among you sick? He should send for the presbyters (Priests)of the Church so that they may pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. ...THEREFORE, confess your sins .." Reference to the men in v 14.


Confessing Our Sins
  
kathr4453 on 5/4/2

Amen! How did Jesus establish how he wants our sins to forgiven here on earth? Scripture is clear on how:

Matt 9:8" 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe, and they praised God, who had given such authority to MEN."

JHn 20: 20-23 As the Father has sent me, I am sending you*. And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyones sins, their sins are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION:... We are therefore Christs ambassadors." 2 Cor 5:18-20

More to come!


Confessing Our Sins
  
-kathr4453 * Also Ruben, the priesthood in the OT is now obsolete.

"My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord Almighty."

Now we know it could not be during his life time new sacrifices or among jews , for they would not be able to offer to the whole world! This prophecy can only be fulfilled the nations of the earth gather together is the NT Church.

More to come!


Confessing Our Sins
  
I also think it's important to have other scripture back-up in order to establish a teaching. Nowhere in all the NT is public confession of sin taught. Nowhere is confessing to a priest taught either.

---kathr4453 on 4/17/2

Leviticus 4:35 . . . and the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven. Also read Lev 5:5-6 and numbers 14:19-20.

Mark 1:4-5 John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 19:18 Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices.

More to come:


Always Learning Scriptures
  
---kathr4453 on 4/13/22* .THE HOPE OF GLORY. And interestingly enough when Psul wrote this in Colossians 1:24-27, not one word about it being the result of eating Jesus flesh literally, BUT BY THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUGGERINGS.

---kathr4453 on 4/13/22


In Col 1:15 Paul refers for HOPE ( not guarantee) that Christ laid up for us in Heaven. Col 1:23 Paul says provided YOU CONTINUE in the faith and NOT shifting from the HOPE! And again v 27 The Hope of his Glory which you brought up, thank you very much, not guarantee of his glory.


Always Learning Scriptures
  
kathr4453*>>Christ did not say''My flesh profits nothing' .

kathr4453*I believe when it comes to the finished works of Christ, YOU TOO ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAF.

Jesus said " It is finish" does not say anything about the works of Christ, you are adding to it. It refers to all things that were required before his death v 24 and also giving Mary to John to take care of her, then he said it is finish!

-StrongAxe *How can we, in the 21st century, eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood, when he left the earth in the 1st century?

The same way he said 'He will be with us until the end of the age'

-StrongAxe *Anyone on earth "father"

So you do not call your Dad Father or ur kids just call you dad?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
kathr4453 on 4/10/22

, You keep avoiding the mean topic,

1. Jesus said ' whoever eats this bread will live forever, and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world"

2. The jews believe him. " How can this man give us HIS flesh to eat" v52

3. The disciples believe him This saying is hard, who can listen." And they walk with him no more". V 60-66

4. The apostles believe him " You have the words of eternal life."

Can someone please explain to me what was hard for the disciples to understand?

And if Jesus was not talking about eating his flesh, why then did he repeat himself, 8 times that you have to eat his flesh and drink to have eternal life?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
-kathr4453 *

Question one: Jesus went into details of the last supper . " This is my BODY" Juda was not a partaker of the last supper , read John 13: 21-30

Question 2 : tell the multitude was of the same mindset as Judas looking for the KING and not the savior?

No, because the multitudes ask " How can this man give us his flesh to eat"v 52 And the disciples ask " This is hard who can understand?' and they no longer walk with him.v66

My question to you:

What was so hard for them to understand?

If it was a misunderstanding, why would Jesus allow them to leave?

We are just about to enter the holiest week of the year. May we mediate on Jesus as he walk to his cross! Amen


Always Learning Scriptures
  
---kathr4453 on 4/6/

I have read John 6:15, but if you notice when they found Jesus , he said 6:29 ' You were lookin for me not because you saw signs but because you ate loaves and were filled." Jesus is setting up what he is going to tell them, " He is the bread of life whoever comes to will never hunger and whoever believes in him will never thirst."v35

Notice no one question about him being the "Bread of life" they knew it was a metaphor! Then when he change the language to 'Eat my Flesh" v 51, then came the question. My question to you is , what was so hard for the disciples to understand? This is the only time in scripture do we read that some of Jesus disciples left him.


Always Learning Scriptures
  
THEY WANTED TO MAKE HIM KING RIGHT THEN. So if that had happened there would be NO CROSS, NO DEATH, NO RESURRECTION.

Kathr

But in the chapter we are discussing, has nothing to do about making him a king. The disciples said " This is hard who can understand ?" And many of his disciples return to their former way and walk no more with him."

Jesus explain many times when the disciples did not get it, ex, Matt 13:13-19, LK 5:21-22 JHN 3:1-5 MK 4:33-34 and many more places! So what was so hard that they did not understand? And why would Jesus let them leave if it was a misunderstanding? These are questions you would need to answer in order to understand John 6 51-73!


Always Learning Scriptures
  
--kathr4453 on 4/2/2

Paul who would know that Jesus was raised from the dead taught "1 Cor 2:2, "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

After all it was Jesus who spoke to him and said " Why are you persecuting me" Acts 9. Paul went on still " .but we preach Christ crucified..." We have to go through GOOD FRIDAY in order to celebrate Easter Sunday!

Here in this life we do not share so much in the glory of the resurrection as we do in the suffering of Jesus in the cross1 Paul knew that we much, in he wrote in Romans 6:18 " we must die with Christ in order to live with Him." Amen!


Always Learning Scriptures
  
Ruben:
Cannibalism would definitely have violated the Law of Moses,

1.The Jews took him literally.v52

2. The disciples took him literally. v60

3. The Apostles took him literally. v 67-
69

If they at that time took him literally, then why 2,000 yrs after the fact take him symbolic?

Now about Cannibalism, Jesus who is the author of scripture, who had responded when ask about his flesh v52 , would had said 'Have you not read the book of Leviticus 3:17 0r 7:26-27. But he didn't.

In fact if the disciples misunderstood him, why would he let them WALK AWAY, if he was speaking symbolic? They were HIS disciples and it says " walk with him no more".v66


Always Learning Scriptures
  
-kathr4453 * Read 1st Cor v 23 ...".but we preach Christ crucified...He goes on in v 24 " Christ crucified is the "power of God".

Paul says 1 for 2:2 ""For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified." He knows that Jesus on the cross has power, while a EMPTY cross has no power!

Jesus Himself tell us in LK 9:23 We must pickup our cross daily.

Galatians 3:1, "O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?"

Seems like Paul was holding a "Crucifix,
". Before you can celebrate Easter, you have to go thru GOOD FRIDAY!


Always Learning Scriptures
  
Ruben ,scripture would be steeped in example after example of this practice. Not even once is this stated in the Bible.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/22

Acts 2:46 " EVERY DAY they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area AND TO BREAKING BREAD ..( Take and eat this is my body).

1 Cor 12 : 23 " For I received from the Lord what I handed on to you ....took break, and , .. he had given thanks, broke it and said " THIS IS MY BODY THAT IS FOR YOU "

--kathr4453*Your doctrine is just another that avoids the Cross. Gal 2:20-2

You have not enter a Catholic Church , we have Jesus on a cross when you enter and the Mass is about Jesus passion on the cross. Does your Church have Jesus on the cross?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
Strongaxe

Jesus in his first section is trying to get them to belief in Jesus ! You have to belief in him in order to understand his teaching .

Jesus said " I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never hungry, and he who believes in me will never thirsty." Now up to this point it is symbolic!

Notice so far Jesus has not mention the words eat, drink, flesh, or blood.So they are not grumbling about the metaphors. In verse 51 he actually starts to speak about eating his flesh( This bread is his flesh), Then comes the question,

"How can this man gives us his flesh to eat."v 52 I will ask again, How did Jesus answers this question?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
Ruben, So Jesus is showing its a SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING not a literal onenothing.....***
---kathr4453 on 3/28/22

So, first of all , the obvious problem with such a claim is that v 63 is not talking about 'HIS FLESH' but about the disbelief of the disciples in v 60. Jesus has mentioned his flesh through the discourse and by the way it is by the power of the Spirit gives life.

In JHN 1:13 it speaks of the " will of the flesh" having no power in itself to become a child of God. Jesus tell us " No one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of Water and Spirit"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit And the word SPIRIT is never use symbolic in scripture!.


Always Learning Scriptures
  
-StrongAxe *-StrongAxe * Ruben:

You wrote: v53."

Yes, but what, exactly, do these words mean?

Jesus answers the question :

John 6:61-63 "Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

,Jesus is saying you would need strong faith to believe in his words, otherwise you will not believe when you see him asending and desending. You have to understand spiritually , remember the word 'SPIRIT' is never use as symbolic. So which words give Spirit and Life...V53-58


Always Learning Scriptures
  
--kathr4453* John 6:63

Why? Because those who believe Jesus WORDS are given life.

. And these are his words,

v53 Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

54-" Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink."

Kathr*Was Jesus contradicting Himself? NO.

Off course not! He would not be telling them to eat his flesh 7-8 times, then say flesh profits nothing. Besides it does not say 'My Flesh"



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