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End-Time Alien Delusion
  
I am also an ex-Catholic, and I know what I was taught as a child. Yes, Catholics may be clueless about many of the teachings of Christ, Strongaxe

I'm an EX Catholic, so I know quite well how typical Catholics are clueless about gospel. Haz27


So both of you are claiming to be infallible when it comes to scripture?

Funny I see both of you going against each other on Jesus teaching but claim Catholics are clueless, could be we are correct it is not Bible alone:)


Interpret The Bible
  
The RCC went against the Bible and taught against the wods of GOD. So you cannot teach against the Bible and say you support the Bible. Since that is contradictory.

Bible above tradition. Love.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/29/22

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which you were taught, whether by word or our [LETTERS."

Its BIBLE and Tradition! It is not Bible above tradition. So who really is against the Bible and of the words of God...


Interpret The Bible
  
StrongAxe * Both Catholic and Orthodox bishops claim apostolic succession.r.

Only one was built on a rock and given a key!

StrongAxef a- money better spent elsewhere.

Just look how beautiful they are.The Church has help many people all over the world and still is doing it!

StrongAxe *ALL believers are invited to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb, not just the elite priesthood.

You ask why expensive vestments, was going to tell you they were not a dollar tree available at that time:)

StrongAxe *But today, priests are elevated above laity. Jesus said "call no man 'father'",

Jesus told the rich man 'Honor your Father and Mother" guess he forgot about 'call no man Father'


Interpret The Bible
  
-StrongAxe

One can claim that Jesus name Peter the Rock and gave him ONLY the keys! The Orthodox Church does acknowledge this.

-StrongAxe *that could have been better spent elsewhere.

It has for instance , she has built churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, homes for the aged, the trouble and the dying!


-StrongAxe *And why expensive vestments?

In the OT Joesph's ' many coats of colors" was expensive given by his father. Even in MT 22:11 the king ask the quest why he did not have a wedding garment and thru him out! Same thing with the parable son, " put-on the best clothes'. Read in Zec 3:3-4. So the vestments by priest were meant to symbolize this wedding garment in the parable.


Interpret The Bible
  
-StrongAxe *Just because the church of Rome today practices some things the old church did before doesn't automatically mean it's the same church.

If they practices the same thing the Christians did back them, how is that not automatically ? dud!

-StrongAxe *The Eastern Orthodox churches could make exactly the same claim.

And they were under the Church of Rome.

-StrongAxe * Even Protestant churches could,

If they are , then need to abolish bible alone and faith alone , because the early church taught no such thing. The bottom statement makes non sense, those art and building were given to the church, research please before you make as foolish statement!


Interpret The Bible
  
StrongAxe *Yes, there was one universal (uncapitalized "catholic") church, NOT the same entity that calls itself The Catholic Church today, headquartered in Rome.

[T]he bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18,4 (c. A.D. 200).

Hippolytus wrote in the Apostolic Tradition, otherwise known as the Egyptian Church Order, about baptizing households or large groups: Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them.

Sounds like the Church of Rome today!


Interpret The Bible
  
The Catholic Church itself wasn't actually
Strongaxe''

Not sure what you mean about actually?

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be, even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110)

Peter, who is called the rock on which the church should be built, who also obtained the keys of the kingdom of heaven Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics, 22 (c. A.D. 200).


Confessing Our Sins
  
-kathr4453 *Ruben, as I've said before, picking a verse here and there out of context br>

Why's is our interpretation correct ? Please explain?


-kathr4453 * Men cannot forgive sin. Only God can.

But yet, we read where people were going to John the baptizer confessing their sins Mk 1-:4-5 We also read in Acts 19:18 confessing sins to the Apostles. And James 5:16 confess our sins to one another! But I guess 'out of context.

-kath4453 * Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only.

Jesus then goes on and says ' Son of Man' not God. Gospel of Matt tells us " God has given the authority to forgive sins to men. Which MEN read John 20:20-23!


Confessing Our Sins
  
More to come:

We read in Matt 18-18 The apostles are given the authority to bind and loose.

2 Cor 2:10 Here we have Paul forgives in the presence of Christ // some bible translation has ' in persona Christi//

And even in the verse discussing here James 5:16 reads,

James 5:14 " Is anyone among you sick? He should send for the presbyters (Priests)of the Church so that they may pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. ...THEREFORE, confess your sins .." Reference to the men in v 14.


Confessing Our Sins
  
kathr4453 on 5/4/2

Amen! How did Jesus establish how he wants our sins to forgiven here on earth? Scripture is clear on how:

Matt 9:8" 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe, and they praised God, who had given such authority to MEN."

JHn 20: 20-23 As the Father has sent me, I am sending you*. And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyones sins, their sins are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION:... We are therefore Christs ambassadors." 2 Cor 5:18-20

More to come!


Confessing Our Sins
  
-kathr4453 * Also Ruben, the priesthood in the OT is now obsolete.

"My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord Almighty."

Now we know it could not be during his life time new sacrifices or among jews , for they would not be able to offer to the whole world! This prophecy can only be fulfilled the nations of the earth gather together is the NT Church.

More to come!


Confessing Our Sins
  
I also think it's important to have other scripture back-up in order to establish a teaching. Nowhere in all the NT is public confession of sin taught. Nowhere is confessing to a priest taught either.

---kathr4453 on 4/17/2

Leviticus 4:35 . . . and the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven. Also read Lev 5:5-6 and numbers 14:19-20.

Mark 1:4-5 John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 19:18 Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices.

More to come:


Always Learning Scriptures
  
---kathr4453 on 4/13/22* .THE HOPE OF GLORY. And interestingly enough when Psul wrote this in Colossians 1:24-27, not one word about it being the result of eating Jesus flesh literally, BUT BY THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUGGERINGS.

---kathr4453 on 4/13/22


In Col 1:15 Paul refers for HOPE ( not guarantee) that Christ laid up for us in Heaven. Col 1:23 Paul says provided YOU CONTINUE in the faith and NOT shifting from the HOPE! And again v 27 The Hope of his Glory which you brought up, thank you very much, not guarantee of his glory.


Always Learning Scriptures
  
kathr4453*>>Christ did not say''My flesh profits nothing' .

kathr4453*I believe when it comes to the finished works of Christ, YOU TOO ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAF.

Jesus said " It is finish" does not say anything about the works of Christ, you are adding to it. It refers to all things that were required before his death v 24 and also giving Mary to John to take care of her, then he said it is finish!

-StrongAxe *How can we, in the 21st century, eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood, when he left the earth in the 1st century?

The same way he said 'He will be with us until the end of the age'

-StrongAxe *Anyone on earth "father"

So you do not call your Dad Father or ur kids just call you dad?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
kathr4453 on 4/10/22

, You keep avoiding the mean topic,

1. Jesus said ' whoever eats this bread will live forever, and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world"

2. The jews believe him. " How can this man give us HIS flesh to eat" v52

3. The disciples believe him This saying is hard, who can listen." And they walk with him no more". V 60-66

4. The apostles believe him " You have the words of eternal life."

Can someone please explain to me what was hard for the disciples to understand?

And if Jesus was not talking about eating his flesh, why then did he repeat himself, 8 times that you have to eat his flesh and drink to have eternal life?


Always Learning Scriptures
  
-kathr4453 *

Question one: Jesus went into details of the last supper . " This is my BODY" Juda was not a partaker of the last supper , read John 13: 21-30

Question 2 : tell the multitude was of the same mindset as Judas looking for the KING and not the savior?

No, because the multitudes ask " How can this man give us his flesh to eat"v 52 And the disciples ask " This is hard who can understand?' and they no longer walk with him.v66

My question to you:

What was so hard for them to understand?

If it was a misunderstanding, why would Jesus allow them to leave?

We are just about to enter the holiest week of the year. May we mediate on Jesus as he walk to his cross! Amen


Always Learning Scriptures
  
---kathr4453 on 4/6/

I have read John 6:15, but if you notice when they found Jesus , he said 6:29 ' You were lookin for me not because you saw signs but because you ate loaves and were filled." Jesus is setting up what he is going to tell them, " He is the bread of life whoever comes to will never hunger and whoever believes in him will never thirst."v35

Notice no one question about him being the "Bread of life" they knew it was a metaphor! Then when he change the language to 'Eat my Flesh" v 51, then came the question. My question to you is , what was so hard for the disciples to understand? This is the only time in scripture do we read that some of Jesus disciples left him.


Always Learning Scriptures
  
THEY WANTED TO MAKE HIM KING RIGHT THEN. So if that had happened there would be NO CROSS, NO DEATH, NO RESURRECTION.

Kathr

But in the chapter we are discussing, has nothing to do about making him a king. The disciples said " This is hard who can understand ?" And many of his disciples return to their former way and walk no more with him."

Jesus explain many times when the disciples did not get it, ex, Matt 13:13-19, LK 5:21-22 JHN 3:1-5 MK 4:33-34 and many more places! So what was so hard that they did not understand? And why would Jesus let them leave if it was a misunderstanding? These are questions you would need to answer in order to understand John 6 51-73!


Always Learning Scriptures
  
--kathr4453 on 4/2/2

Paul who would know that Jesus was raised from the dead taught "1 Cor 2:2, "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

After all it was Jesus who spoke to him and said " Why are you persecuting me" Acts 9. Paul went on still " .but we preach Christ crucified..." We have to go through GOOD FRIDAY in order to celebrate Easter Sunday!

Here in this life we do not share so much in the glory of the resurrection as we do in the suffering of Jesus in the cross1 Paul knew that we much, in he wrote in Romans 6:18 " we must die with Christ in order to live with Him." Amen!


Always Learning Scriptures
  
Ruben:
Cannibalism would definitely have violated the Law of Moses,

1.The Jews took him literally.v52

2. The disciples took him literally. v60

3. The Apostles took him literally. v 67-
69

If they at that time took him literally, then why 2,000 yrs after the fact take him symbolic?

Now about Cannibalism, Jesus who is the author of scripture, who had responded when ask about his flesh v52 , would had said 'Have you not read the book of Leviticus 3:17 0r 7:26-27. But he didn't.

In fact if the disciples misunderstood him, why would he let them WALK AWAY, if he was speaking symbolic? They were HIS disciples and it says " walk with him no more".v66



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