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Latin In Catholic Church
Latin was used by the early church as Rome became the dominant and most influential church during the early centuries. However, being a church that puts tradition far far ahead of Scripture persecuted those - like Wycliffe - who dared to translate the scripture into the language of the people. I praise God that the truth won out over the traditionalists.

Biblical To Remarry
1 Cor. 7:27-28a Do you have a wife? Dont seek a divorce. Are you divorced from your wife? Dont look for another one But if you do get married, you have not sinned.
Divorce makes martial vows void and one can remarry. My 1st wife left me for someone she met in a mental health institution and I re-married and the Lord continues to bless us.

Immortal Soul Biblical
//How could Stephen say "receive my spirit" and then "fall asleep" if the spirit falls asleep with the body?

One needs to recognize that the soul sleep thing is an invention of olde Ellen White and always has been a minority view.

Even Jesus on the Cross cried out "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!

Adventists often mistranslate 'spirit' as 'breath' but that would make ridiculous what Jesus stated on the Cross.

If there was only the body and not a spirit then He would not have stated that.

Finish It Here September 2011
A better translation -

1 John 3:9ESV No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Gods seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

NIV No-one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Gods seed remains in him, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Personal Jesus Relationship
I do however believe their understanding of creation is Biblical whereas yours is not. Your authority on these matters is not God but the changing opinions of fallible sinful man.

I am not at all sure exactly what they believe concerning creation. I simply believe God by His word brought the creation into existence.

And I recognize that when it comes to the details of the creation, there are different viewpoints, some having more defense than others.

Do you like some Adventists believe God exulted Jesus and Satan became jealous? I read something of this in their Scripture called the Great Controversy.

Personal Jesus Relationship
kathr4453 //Oh I have a migraine!

Usually happens when you beat your head against the wall of truth.

1) While God foreordains or predestines one for whatever His purpose, that person is still accountable.

2) Salvation is strictly a gift received by faith, not something earned nor is it something that is lost.

The errant Christians merely gets God's discipline - we should welcome it!

3) Calvinism is really based upon the works of the church's earlier theologians. There is really nothing new in Calvinism, but it is often misunderstood as with the scripture that pertain to this subject.

4) yes, you have 2 natures. Read Ro 7:23

But as you grow in the faith, you will become more like Christ.

Personal Jesus Relationship
Warwick //But I am not Adventist!

Probably true but much of your doctrine is the same as held by them. Never did forget your post when you stated that the SDA church is the one church that is closest to the Bible.

I would reckon that like birds of like feather, that if you hung out with them all the time, you will become like them and without even realizing it.

What Is A Judgemental Christian
Rocky //If one is to judge rightfully, then is it wrong?

When a church starts to believe they cannot judge others by their behavior and beliefs is when they depart from the clear command to discipline its members. Eventually, anything can be tolerated and believed.

Judgment is clearly of necessity in governing the church. sorry to disagree.

Why Remarry After Divorce
Is there any justification for a woman to divorce her husband if her husband committed murder or high treason and has to spend the rest of his life in prison?

Or should she rightfully move on with her life?

Different Resurrections
//.... Don't you realize that a curse is pronounced on anyone ADDING to the words of this book (Rev 22:18)?
---jerry6593 on 9/12/11

Howbeit, olde Ellen added much to the word of this book. Will there be a curse awaiting her?

In fact, Adventism has even added her plagarized works on the same level as the word of God.

Personal Jesus Relationship
//...., but we must not be judicial nor should we set our hearts against our fellow man.

Totally agree but the legalists tell us we must reform the natural man - the nature we were born with.

My prayer is I may fully abide in Christ, walk in His Spirit, that the only righteousness others may see is of the Lord.

As to good works, the legalists ignore Eph. 2:10 that good works are really the work of God within us. The Lord should be given the credit for whatever goodness there is in our lives.

Unfortunately there are groups claiming the name of Christ that believe they have the right to judge others and bring others into conformity to their denominational beliefs - such as the 'we are the remnant of God' faction.

Why Remarry After Divorce
Sag//* Adultery happens ONLY ONE TIME. After that, marriage.

Well, after studying these points, I agree with every one, but the LAST one.
If I were to bet on this one, I would bet that the AOG pastor considered fornication the same as adultery and was guilty prior to his own marriage.

People often go too far prior to their own marriage.

Of course, that is one reason why some people should marry - the temptation of the flesh is far too great for them to resist.

Is Grace Freedom To Sin
//Then we have those in Hebrews 3 and 4 who fell short of salvation because they did not enter His Rest, but I bet they kept the sabbath but nothing about the others.

Any good commentary will say these people were those slipping back into the Jewish sacrifical and legal system since there would no longer be any sacrifice for sin. Hebrews 10:26f

Yes, most likely they were Sabbath keepers and did the Levitical dietary laws as well.

Used to go to one of those 'holiness' churches that spent much time in Hebrews teaching that one could lose eternal salvation. Never did join, but went there because that is where my babysitter went and I was a single parent at that time.

But I learn much of the Bible from them.

Different Resurrections
Rhonda //the dead are very much DEAD ...they are in silence, do not think, and have no knowledge of GOD.

Some would believe that but I find Scripture presents another view.

Rev. 6:9-10 When he opened the 5th seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

How could the dead cry out if they were not conscious.

And then hell is viewed as a place of conscious torment for the dead.

Perhaps your denomination spiritualizes verses that disagree with their doctrinal views.

What Is A Judgemental Christian
//First, judge not that you be not judged..

It seems at times that this is about the only verse people can quote when they get criticism, even if the criticism is constructive.

the full verse -

Mt. 5:1-2 Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

If one is to judge rightfully, then is it wrong?

Jesus, in answering the criticism stated -

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The judgment that is condemned is from one who cannot see for the log in his own eye.

Is Grace Freedom To Sin
//Where did Jesus ever say, I will keep the Law for you EXCEPT the Sabbath.

Was not Jesus more concerned with the heart than externals - the spirit behind the law more than observance of the law itself?

He did extend upon the law regarding murder, & adultery saying we sin if we have only the thought in our hearts.

While Jesus paid the penalty of our sins by obedience to the law, He redeemed us from the law.

Gal. 4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

We need to follow Jesus, not the law but at the same time be rich in good works - 1 Tim. 6:18.

Personal Jesus Relationship
Warwick //Francis and other Adventists have been very forthright in saying thay are saved by grace alone. And further that we cannot be saved by adherence to law.

Like most cults the definition of terms is a problem. Yes, while they say one is saved by grace, their Investigative Judgment doctrine says that one will be judged not on the merits of Christ, but on the merits of ones works. And by observing the 10 commandments, one can acquire the necessary level of holiness to qualify for life eternal.

Yes scripture does state that one cannot persist in a life of sin and claim to be a Christian. 1 John 3:4,9 Perhaps you make an effort to examine yourself?

Personal Jesus Relationship
Psalms 139: 23-24 Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts!
And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!

Warwick - I rest on the merits of what our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has done on my behalf. It is by His blood that I have the full forgiveness of sins.

Ro 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

I make no apologies for rejecting the legalism of yours and your Adventists bedfellows.

Is Grace Freedom To Sin
The problem I see on this forum is what grace entailed. Some believe, like Warwick and his Adventists friends, that grace is something that takes you the rest of the way to eternal salvation AFTER you have done everything possible to observe the laws including observing the Sabbath, a law not commanded of His church.

To others grace means simply God's unmerited favor as you have been born spiritual in Him and have become a child of His. And in contrast to what the legalists believes, God is not a god that will commit fratricide.

I prefer the Bible dictionary definition of grace as undeserved acceptance and love received from another. Jesus came to save those that are lost and whomsoever believes in Him will have eternal life.

Why Remarry After Divorce
Dee - I can understand your situation as I have seen it all too often. There are many who are the victims of the sinfulness of others.

And among some that proclaim the name of Christ, you will always wear a "D" on your forehead for 'divorced'.

While that is unfair, we need to encourage others to listen and try to understand the situation of others and above all to love others.

Yes, I see nothing in Scripture that forbids you to re-marry as you make needs that may not be met.

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