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What Is A False Prophet
"Harumph"- Marc


Finish It Here March 2015
"Right and Wrong"-StrongAxe

I guess you've left me no choice but to say that you are "right" because anything short of that would be "wrong" and that wouldn't be right would it?

Finish It Here March 2015
"Having it right" StrongAxe

But surely the irony of your argument is not lost on you.

You see that you are arguing that JWs are wrong for simply saying that they are "right" and opposing views (in specific theological cases) are wrong...right?

Are you then, not doing the same thing? If your position is that JWs are wrong for saying that others are wrong...are you not equally "wrong" for criticizing anyone...including JWs? Are you not saying that JWs are wrong? Are you not saying that I am wrong?

Am I right? Can I get an amen?

Finish It Here March 2015

"We have it right"- StrongAxe

A silly argument if there ever was one.

Every denomination and their members, to a large degree, think that they "have it right." Otherwise, why remain affiliated?

Even you who boasts an allegiance to no one, questioning the reliability of some parts of the Bible, believe that you have it right. Otherwise, why do you argue, even criticize others for having a different view than yours?

You believe your "truth" is more accurate than mine, Marc believes his views are "the truth", etc.

The Bible is the only guide for what is "true." That's the Litmus test. Hebrews 4:12

Finish It Here March 2015
100 years ago vs. today- Christian Zionist Marc (3)

"Parallels have also been drawn between aspects of South Africa's apartheid regime and certain Israeli policies toward the Palestinians, which are seen as manifestations of racism in Zionist thinking." Zionism, Wikipedia [129][130][131]

129- UN envoy hits Israel 'apartheid' (BBC, Feb. 23, 2007)

130- It's time to rethink Zionism (The Guardian, Feb. 17, 2009)

131- Zionism as a Racist Ideology, by Kathleen and Bill Christinson (Counterpunch, November 8/9, 2003)

Finish It Here March 2015
100 years ago vs. today- Christian Zionist Marc (1)

A key factor in my leaving the Baptist Church to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses was, ironically, what Marc posts from 100 years ago vs. today.

Every individual (and JWs believe every organization) should adjust their views if further Bible study, research, etc., sheds light on a previously incorrect one. That's humility.

If I were Marc, I'd be more concerned with what his Christian Zionist spokesmen say today in light of God's word and the principles found therein.

"If he [Hugo Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it." Christian Zionist, Pat Robertson, 8/22/2005

Finish It Here March 2015
100 years ago vs. today- Christian Zionist Marc (2)

Christian Zionist Hagee preached:

"And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can't see that."

"God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter..."

Christian Zionist leader, John Hagee, "Battle For Jerusalem", 1:08 mark of his sermon

God Doesn't Intervene
Mark's wild misrepresentations...again-

So as not to flood this thread with, yet another, of Marc's insult-laden rants, his false claims below (I, II and III) can easily be refuted and going to:

JW dought cyborg (without the ugh and cyb =) and searching the subjects: "Neutrality", "Blood" and "Organ Transplants."

You're welcome!

God Doesn't Intervene
"Scott, those rather blunt words could be a little over the top if addressed to others but to you and David they seem apt..." Warwick

Poor Warwick. The words were addressed to "others."

Still "over the top" or would you like to retract that now?

God Doesn't Intervene
"No insults there, only blunt accurate descriptions." Warwick

So Warwick's brand of "Christianity", like Marc's, allows for calling those with a differing opinion "Knuckleheads, Dunces, Fools and Idiots" and 'accurately describes' those that have been the happy recipients of his diatribes.

Ok. Good to know.

God Doesn't Intervene
"Vomit...Disingenuous.." Marc

"Knuckleheads, Dunces, Fools...Idiots!" Marc, 2/6/15

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Does God Control Us
Justin Martyr-

"There is said to be another God* and Lord subject to the Maker of all things, who is also called an angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things...wishes to announce to them." 56

"He who is said to have appeared to Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and who is called God*, is distinct from Him who made all things...." Ibid


* In God's word men, angels, Christ and Jehovah are all referred to as "Gods" (Elohim/Theos) obviously without an indication of equality.

Does God Control Us
Justin Martyr-

"For God alone is unbegotten and incorruptible, and therefore He is God, but all other things after Him are created and corruptible." Dialogue with Trypho, 5

"There is said to be another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things, who is also called an angel, because he announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things...wishes to announce to them." Ibid, 56


"The first seven days in the divine arrangement contain seven thousand years" Treatises 11:11

Does God Control Us
Justin Martyr-

"For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years [Gen. 5:5]. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression The day of the Lord is a thousand years [Ps. 90:4] is connected with this subject" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 81 [A.D. 155]).

Does God Control Us
"Tsk, tsk"- Christian Zionist Marc

I suppose we could consider the alternative:

"Christian Zionism: The Most Virulent and Hatred Driven Heresy"- Jim West, Professor of Biblical Studies:

"Christian Zionists, who speak...about love of Israel...are quicker to malign, misrepresent, and attempt to deceive concerning those with whom they disagree than Satan himself...

...Its best if some...dim Christian zionist tries to interact with you to ignore them and let them wallow in their own cesspool of vile Hagee-esque idiocy. They aren't interested in conversation [but] in hearing you say something which they can then demonize you and exalt their own heretical anti-christianity."

Does God Control Us
"A JW run site." StrongAxe

I can guarantee that this is not the case. It is just a continuation of the strange anti-JW, conspiracy theory rhetoric that Warwick has droned on about for years.

I stopped taking him seriously long, long ago.

Day Of The Lord
Warwick's short memory-

Has Warwick already forgotten his blanket assertion that "Day means 24hrs when it is combined with a number either one, two...throughout the whole Bible..."?

Well, based on the translations of the NIV, NLT, ESV, NASB, KJV, Holman, ISV, NET, GWT, Jubilee Bible 2000, King James 2000 Bible, American King James Version, American Standard Version, Douay-Rheims Bible, Darby Bible, Webster's Bible Translation, World English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, commentaries by Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary, Pulpit Commentary, Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible, etc....

...he is wrong.

But guaranteed, he will not let the facts get in the way of his wild assertions.

Day Of The Lord
"Day" means 24hrs when it is combined with a number either one, two etc...Twenty four hour days are shown this way throughout the whole Bible..." Warwick

Sure about that?

Then how do you explain that several times in the Old Testament Yom "combined with a number" is actually translated as, not day, but "year."

For example 2 Chronicles 21:19 says, "after the end of two years (yom - pl. yamim shenayim)...he died..."

Or in Amos 4:4 where we read: "bring in your...tithes after three years (yom - pl. yamim sheloshet)"?

In each case, yom "combined with a number" represents years, not days...and certainly not 24 hour days.

What Is Rigtheousness
"The words for 'the earth' in Genesis 1:1 'h-a-res' (according to Strongs)" Warwick

Sigh. Still not true.

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